• SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee
    1457·
    2 months ago

    Why are half of the comments in this thread talking about how the steamdeck isn’t a computer? What the fuck are you all on about? Do you just need to be contrarian to be different? It’s a fucking full computer, like has all the parts and functions a computer has…

    • thingsiplay@beehaw.org
      831·
      2 months ago

      As much as nice it sounds, this is not entirely true. Because Steam Deck is not just a PC and cannot share the same enjoyment and benefits of a regular PC, because its a handheld. I believe the Steam Deck should be handled as its own class of hardware, like a console is and do a PC showcase on its own.

      For a small game that runs easily on the Deck and is mainly played with a gamepad, this is probably fine. But for lot of other games this cannot be said. I love my Steam Deck and my local PC, but they need to be treated separately for effective marketing.

      • emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de
        571·
        2 months ago

        Add a keyboard, mouse and monitor, which are already required for every other pc, and you can do everything on the steam deck that you can on any other pc. The steamdeck just has the additional functionality of working without those if you so choose.

        • needanke@feddit.org
          74·
          2 months ago

          and you can do everything on the steam deck that you can on any other pc

          Ok, how do I use rsync on the deck then? (/s, but I’d still love to know)

          • Jrockwar@feddit.uk
            34·
            2 months ago
            1. Turn on
            2. Open desktop mode (in power menu I think)
            3. Open terminal
            4. Type rsync <source> <destination>
            5. Press enter
            • needanke@feddit.org
              52·
              2 months ago

              Wait, its installed by default? I assumed I had to install it, which would not be possible, because its immutable and there is no rsync flatpak (I think).

              • Sas [she/her]@beehaw.org
                5·
                2 months ago

                You can just install a distro of your choice on it that might or might not be immutable if you want. In the end, yes, it is a PC

                • SeekPie@lemm.ee
                  81·
                  2 months ago

                  SteamOS is immutable, so you can’t install system-wide apps on there, only flatpaks, appimages etc.

          • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            21·
            2 months ago

            Are you not aware of “Desktop mode”? Hold down the power button for a few seconds, click “switch to desktop mode,” and you’re literally using a fully functioning Linux PC.

      • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        261·
        2 months ago

        It plays PC games, runs a PC OS, has a PC DE (KDE Plasma), includes standard PC ports (with a dock that includes even more standard PC ports), has a standard PC uefi bios, uses a PC APU, and has a PC like trackpad along with a virtual keyboard. Also if a game works well with controllers itll work well with Steam Deck (even if it doesn’t it usually works well). Functionally speaking how is this different then a tablet PC with a controller? (In terms of if its a PC)

        • thingsiplay@beehaw.org
          412·
          2 months ago

          Its targeted by developers like a console is, its a specific hardware that developers can optimize for. And the operating system and user interface is optimized for gaming. That’s the Console portion of it. Steam Deck is a PC hardware in handheld form factor and a Console treatment, which developers can target specifically for, unlike other handheld PCs with Windows.

          Steam Deck is not just a PC, and its not just a handheld. Its a console that can be targeted.

          • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            201·
            2 months ago

            Steam Deck is not just a PC, and its not just a handheld.

            Yes. It’s both… And it is fully functioning as either. It’s really not difficult to understand.

            • thingsiplay@beehaw.org
              32·
              2 months ago

              I also explained what i told. Its more than just both, its a target. Its really not difficult to understand.

              • Gamma@beehaw.orgEnglish
                101·
                2 months ago

                Because Steam Deck is not just a PC and cannot share the same enjoyment and benefits of a regular PC, because it’s a handheld.

                This is where you lost most people. When they pointed out that it was incorrect you started adding more words and insisting that everyone else was wrong and you were just misunderstood.

                What you’re saying about it being a target is true and is part of what makes it so valuable as a platform, but saying it’s a target does not counter the misconception in your original comment that it cannot also be a PC.

                • thingsiplay@beehaw.org
                  25·
                  2 months ago

                  I don’t know if you guys misunderstand me on purpose. My argumentation was about the initial comment that the Steam Deck does not represent PC very well. You just took one sentence out of context, where the previous part and following part is integratel part of my reply. I did not just add more words to it, i Just had to explain it later because its not understood. The full quote is:

                  Because Steam Deck is not just a PC and cannot share the same enjoyment and benefits of a regular PC, because its a handheld. I believe the Steam Deck should be handled as its own class of hardware, like a console is and do a PC showcase on its own.

                  It’s just a simple explanation that you guys on purpose misunderstand. The Steam Deck does not represent PC very well on its own, because its not just a PC. It’s more than its sum. It’s not a new discussion either, this is going on since the launch of the system.

          • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            131·
            2 months ago

            the operating system and user interface is optimized for gaming

            Most of the “optimizations” are either generic Linux improvements that exist in many distros or are can be easily installed on any PC. Meanwhile the UI is literally just Steam gamepadui, any PC could access it, any PC can launch Steam on boot and set Steam to launch into Steam big picture mode. The only optimizations are just a set of good defaults and software that works well together.

            Its a console that can be targeted

            Yeah because its a popular piece of hardware running amazing software, thats something Windows handhelds dont have. What people dont understand about SteamOS is it isn’t that optimized, thats because Linux is so optimized as an OS that Valve doesn’t need to do much on top of it.

            • thingsiplay@beehaw.org
              44·
              2 months ago

              There is even an API in Steam that directly targets the Steam Deck. Steam Deck can be programmatically identified by its API, just like any other console. This is a key factor.

              We are not speaking about any random hardware configuration or tablet, we are speaking about a device with software and hardware specifically designed, build, tested, targeted and marketed as a single unit. Exactly what a console is. However, I’m not disregarding its roots of PC. What I am saying is, that Steam Deck does not represent PC “very well”; its its own thing, even compared to other handheld PCs. If the Steam is marketed as a PC, then it won’t get the support from the developers.

              Steam Deck is its own category, besides general PC. Games need to have different Spec Recommendations for PC and one specific optimized version for Steam Deck. Both are separated.

              • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                2·
                2 months ago

                Games need to have different Spec Recommendations for PC and one specific optimized version for Steam Deck. Both are separated.

                You’re just wrong here, they don’t need special versions at all, you’re normally just given windows .exe files and told to use proton to make the games work, even

                This is good, actually, as it lets you change your settings in-game just like on normal PCs, so if you want more battery life you can turn them down, or if you’re plugged in you can turn them up

                Your idea there is just bad and wrong, sorry

                • thingsiplay@beehaw.org
                  11·
                  2 months ago

                  No, and I explained multiple times why. You just keep ignoring what I wrote and take things out of context without having an understanding of the statement. It’s not “my idea”, but I’m done with stupidity.

      • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
        191·
        2 months ago

        What are you talking about it’s just a laptop in gamepad form you can hook up PC peripherals and there will be zero difference.

        • SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee
          91·
          2 months ago

          I wrote a huge argumentative piece to that guy and then snapped out of it and deleted it all. It’s not worth it.

      • hoanbridgetroll@midwest.social
        8·
        2 months ago

        I get what you’re saying - some games aren’t fun on steam deck controls, or just run like a dog.

        But, look at it differently - It’s a PC by virtue of the fact you only have to buy it once to use it in both. My 10 year old XPS laptop and my gaming desktop are very different classes of hardware as well, but they’ll both run Plants vs Zombies that I bought once.

        I can’t say that about the stuff I bought on Switch and want to keep playing on Steam Deck.

        • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          61·
          2 months ago

          You can also easily connect a mouse and keyboard (and monitor or TV if you want) if the controller doesn’t work well for the game.

          Because it’s literally a PC.

  • Sivilian@lemmy.zipEnglish
    112·
    2 months ago

    This is so exciting, gives me hope. Rockstar making gta5 not playable on deck for no good reason made me lose hope. So I guess this balance the scales

      • xavier666@lemm.eeEnglish
        7·
        2 months ago

        Valve can poke Rockstar but they (Valve) can’t magically make the anticheat work. It has to come from the developer

        • Gamma@beehaw.orgEnglish
          5·
          2 months ago

          We understand that it is frustrating for the users who purchased this game we are currently working with Rockstar Games to find a fix.

          The source is reddit, so who knows, but I’ve seen some news stories that used the source to report what I said.

  • HRDS_654@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3024·
    2 months ago

    For transparency, I have a gaming PC. I have a Steam Deck. I love the Steam Deck to death and would never give it up. For many people, it is the closest thing they will see to PC gaming. I can say without a doubt that the Steam Deck is a PC in the same way a chicken is a wild bird. Can you do 90% of PC related tasks with the Steam Deck? Yes, but with a lot more work, and much more required knowledge. It’s not even because of the OS, which is great because it’s just Linux based. It’s because the Steam Deck does not put necessary parts that average PC users need as forward facing concepts.

    The Steam Deck is a console first, and a PC in a pinch and I wouldn’t have it any other way. It’s the reason I love the device, but also use it less. A good example is modding Elden Ring for Seamless Co-op. You can do it, and it’s not HARD per se, but you may have to find files in the OS to make sure Steam knows to open them, and because of how the file tree works in Linux vs Windows it isn’t really a simple case of “type the file name in search”.

    • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
      332·
      2 months ago

      Look, if they’re gonna use a device running Linux* instead of Windows to represent “PC,” I sure as Hell ain’t gonna complain about it even if it is a handheld!

      (* legitimate Linux, as opposed to some bastardized and Tivoized thing like Android or what they put on TVs)

      • HRDS_654@lemmy.worldEnglish
        22·
        2 months ago

        I just want to say I’m right there with you, and I was trying to make that clear while still explaining my thoughts on why the Steam Deck isn’t really a “gaming PC”. It could just be the old man in me, but the Deck PRESENTS itself as a console on startup, and to do anything beyond that you have to restart the device. For the general public restarting the device is a huge barrier. Again though, I’m happy the Steam Deck exists and hope that game companies in general will get their head out of their ass and start making more games run natively on Linux. Even with devices that have better performance and look like an upgrade I immediately discount them as an option the moment I see they are running Windows.

    • Fubarberry@sopuli.xyzOPMEnglish
      151·
      2 months ago

      It seems to me like most PC gamers don’t touch mods unless there’s an easy automated way to install them, something like steam workshop or maybe a mod manager if they’re feeling adventurous. It’s true that mods are harder to do on linux/deck right now, but I’m hoping with the rise of official mod managers that support linux it won’t be any harder. Games that use steam workshop or have built in mod support (like BG3 and Deep Rock Galactic) are already just as easy to install mods on deck compared to windows.

      I think the Deck is in a nice place where it streamlines the gaming experience for most people, but still gives you the option to do more advanced things if you want.

      • HRDS_654@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        2 months ago

        My post was not meant to take away your points, and honestly I tend to forget about the Steam workshop because, as you said, I and many other general PC gamers don’t mod games that much. I’m not trying to be negative about the Deck, just realistic. Unfortunately for me, my general lack of optimism can be seen as inherently negative. The Steam Deck has already succeeded in its goal as evidenced by the, inferior in my opinion, knockoffs from Asus and Lenovo. The main point I was trying to make is the very fact that if or when people try to install a mod they immediately run into the barrier of having to reboot the device. This isn’t a bad thing, but it does tell many people this is not the main way to use the device. Remember that for the general public defaults are the most powerful thing on their device.

      • HRDS_654@lemmy.worldEnglish
        48·
        2 months ago

        I mean, I agree that the form factor isn’t what matters, that’s not what I was saying. When you boot the Steam Deck it actively hides that it is a computer. Let’s be real here, all consoles are basically just dumbed down PC’s at this point. They have slightly modified AMD chips with AMD GPUs. The only difference is that you can’t access the file system. You can on the Steam Deck if you want to, but Valve tries to simplify the experience by presenting it as a console. My argument has nothing to do with the form factor and everything to do with the default presentation.

    • rooster_butt@lemm.ee
      5·
      2 months ago

      I think it’s more so that it’s releasing on steam, Deck/GabeN is more a representation of that. In your case you can buy once and install on both. The image also has the added benefit to show its steam deck compatible.

        • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          4·
          2 months ago

          Can’t hold the power button on my PS to load into “desktop mode” and operate it exactly like my desktop PC though, like I can on steam deck

        • WolfLink@sh.itjust.works
          3·
          2 months ago

          The difference between the SteamDeck and the PlayStation that makes the Steam Deck a “personal computer” is that you can run whatever software you want on a Steam Deck. SteamOS even comes with “desktop mode” which works much like you’d expect a desktop Linux OS to work. If you don’t like SteamOS, you can simply install a different OS.