Telegram is no longer safe for piracy.

I bet they will start kicking out piracy channels in few weeks.

I am going to delete my account now as it will become useless soon anyway.

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        Matrix is great and works great.

        Element is a semi abandoned client that happened to come from some of the makers of matrix.

        Use literally anything else. Fluffychat works for me. Element is okay for debugging sometimes so I keep it handy.

        But the commenters point stands. In matrix, you can send whatever you like, as illegal or morally corrupt as you wish because its nobody‘s fucking business AND e2ee.

        If someone on my server sends csam, I would never know unless someone reported it to me. Because thats how privacy works.

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            It is pretty good but pretty reduced in functionality imo. Thats why I generally suggest fluffychat. Its nowhere perfect either but it works better on a daily basis for me.

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          it wasn’t abandoned, they are developing an overhaul with a more efficient sync API that required them to rethink how it works internally

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            I know. I said semi abandoned because element x is their focus, which is the reason they are not adding features to element and are hesitant to put in fixes for things that would require massive changes.

            This is still not ideal because the flagship app isnt advancing in a good speed. Thats why I dont recommend it.

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      But terrible handling of metadata. Which is the case for all chat apps AFAIK. Like, even with OMEMO, who talks with whom, and when, can be exposed. Which sometimes is enough to get legal issues (e.g. Ola Bini’s case)

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        I wasn’t aware of that. I’ve even seen vendors using it.

        I know it’s E2EE and open source but there is a lot of Metadata.

        What other limitations does it have?

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      I tried a Piracy group in Matrix and there was less than 100 users…and the only active poster was a bot (or honeypot) advertising explicit CSAM related telegram groups for purchase… just looking at the words made a pit in my stomach

      That’s the double edged sword with no moderation abilities

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        there are moderation abilities, but instead of all-seeing global moderators it must be done by the little poor room owner, and the mods they have granted permission.

        if the existing owner/mods don’t do that, and disgusting content starts appearing in the room, that means they probably aren’t active anymore, and that it’s time to make a new room with the still active members before something even more damaging happens, like an uncontrollable high volume spammer, at which point you won’t be able to tell the others that you have made a new room.

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          There is Tox which is P2P and encrypted and basically does this, but it’s not that popular.

          Basically with P2P things get complicated still having fixed rooms that you can find in a list or send offline messages, presumably using other nodes as temporary relays.

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            I imagine it comes with the problem most P2P chats come with: both sender and receiver have to be online at the same time, otherwise the message cannot be delivered.

            Although, if people were serious about anonymity, they’d be using such a service (or similar).

            Anti Commercial-AI license

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              Yeah. I mean theoretically you could use all the other nodes, similar to Tor or I2P to relay and temporarily store chat messages and room states. I mean that is basically those networks except maybe you route a package multiple ways and mark them for late delivery. And you measure the speed and latency of nodes so better connected nodes get more workload and act as temporary floating servers. All via DHT.

              Then theoretically there should be no performance difference between server based and P2P chats. But it’s even more complicated. I don’t even need a chat like that, really not at all. But I think it should exist already.

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          Matrix works over i2P and Tor, just proxy the service.

          P2P chat could include retroshare but it’s not really a solution due to a variety of ux issues.