I’ll dance for them as I prance around the fire of their failed BSD l business model. Stupid, selfish cunts…

See with books, that’s where out gets complicated. I don’t agree that reading part of the book is a problem, but the whole book does count as piracy to me. I do admit I don’t know where the line is crossed. It’s great the way libraries skirt around this problem and I don’t really know how that fits in the broader scheme.

Perhaps another great idea is a magazine where there’s really only one or two articles of interest - in my mind, have at it and consume what’s of interest without shelling out for the whole thing (this is a lot like time-shifting, where recording content played on the air at a certain but inconvenient time is absolutely fair use).

Format shifting via a 3d scanner is fine but uploading to for others is where it’s problematic - personal use has always abominated various liberties, I felt.

Great thought experiments, cheers

I don’t have the energy to dissect your 20 part manifesto, sorry.I appreciate the effort, but got lost in the bullet points (the un-bulleted things felt like responses to the bullet and I wondered who you were replying to). It all felt like the crazed conspiracy theorist meme, sorry. I’m on a phone and it’s such a shitty interface to wade through complex argument

As for books - No way, it’s not wrong at all, and I regularly pirate music before I buy it, for example. We’re not that different, I’m probably just accepting more ‘guilt’ for what I pirate.

Do you agree that physical goods are a whole different set of circumstances to abstract things? (As in, how the rolex is fundamentally different to the concert experience)

I’d love to be able to actually discuss this, because a wall of text isn’t at conducive to healthy discussion.

Your concert example is frankly ridiculous. A better one is people sneaking in without paying. Overhearing a few minutes of muffled bars of music does not compare with going to the show - what nonsense! That you claim it proves your point, well… You’re dreaming.

…and crucially, don’t NEED to be paid for their work.

Yes, FOSS is ‘a thing’, but it doesn’t require complicated and expensive things like sets, locations and recording studios - because code is entirely abstract, it doesn’t have these constraints.

Yes, there will still be the occasional thing from a passionate story-teller, but without the budget to ensure the appearances are as intended we’ll be far more limited in what stories we can tell (however, I’d gladly live in a universe without the constant marvel drivel!). We’d still be excited about 70s era star trek-type stuff, not the recent Dune movies…

While there’s certainly shitty cash grabs going on, there’s still passionate story tellers and the reason everything these days is shitty cash grabs is because we’re all pirating everything the studios won’t take a risk on a genuine story

I’m not OP, but i think you’re being intentionally simple-minded here…

So following your argument further, if we all did this no one would produce anything because they’d never get paid.

Then what?

The point is, there’s hundreds of hours of work in most things. What you’re saying makes sense if we’re taking about a shitty NFT that was ‘someone drawing their cat in MS Paint’, but an album or movie that involved many people and lots of labour is different because they deserve to be compensated for their work.

Back to your example, no one measurers songs heard in the seconds they were experienced and seeing the performance is probably the key part if we were breaking it down… Waking past a venue isn’t taking in the show (sneaking in and getting the full experience would be. Admittedly, of it’s an outdoor venue the example gets muddier!)

So, what I’m arguing, is that what’s morally wrong about piracy is not fairly compensating the workers that produced it. They deserve their time and expertise to be traded for (sorry, in not finding the words I’m wanting…) and that’s where the theft lies

baffled glance…wot?

Indeed. The uBO team are saints. Is a shame some are only recognised after leaving