Yea I do, you brought up that local isn’t always the option.
I desperately want it to work for me, i just can’t get it to work without spending thousands of dollars on hardware just to get back to the same experience as having a regular desktop at my desk.
What is the cost of the thin clients and are you doing this over copper?
Are your desks multi monitor? To get the bare minimum in my households scenario I would need at least 12 streams at greater than 1080p
For 5 seats how much did it cost versus just having a computer in each location? For example looking at hdbaset to replace just my desk setup, I would need 4 ~$350 devices, just looking at monoprice for an idea (https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=21669) which doesn’t even cover all of the screens in my office.
Right, but who has the resources to rent compute with multiple GPUs, this is a gaming setup, not office work, and the op was talking about racking it.
All of those services offer an inferior experience to being at the hardware, it’s just not the same experience. Seriously, try it with multiple 1440p 144hz displays, it just doesn’t happen work out well, you are getting a compromised product for a higher cost. You need a good GPU (or at least a way to decode multiple hvec streams) in in the client, and so, you can run a standard thin client.
‘low latency’ is a near native experience, I’m talking, you sit down at your desk and it feels like you are at your computer(as to say, multiple monitors, hdr, USB swapping, Bluetooth, audio, etc, all working seamlessly without noticeably diminished quality), anything less isn’t worth it, since you can just, use your computer like normal.
A display port to fiber extender is $2,000. The fiber is not for the network.
Moonlight does not do what I want, moonlight requires a GPU on the thin client to decode. You would need a high end GPU to decide multiple high resolution video streams. Also afaik, moonlight doesn’t support multiple displays.
Can this solution deliver 3+ streams of high resolution (1440p or higher and 144fps) low latency video with no artifacting and near native performance and responsiveness?
Gaming has a high requirement for high fidelity and low latency I/O, no one wants to spend all this money on racks and thin clients, the then get laggy windows and scrolling, artifacts, video compression, and low resolution.
That’s the problem at hand with a gaming server, if you want to replace a gaming desktop with a vm in a rack, you need to actually get the I/O to the user somehow, either through dedicated cables from the rack, fiber, or networking, the first is impractical, it involves potentially 100ft long runs of multiple display port, HDMI, USB, etc, and is very rigid in its application, the second is very expensive, shooting the price up to thousands of dollars per seat for display port/USB over fiber extenders, and the third option I have yet to see a vnc/remote solution that can deliver near native video performance.
I should reiterate, the op wants to do fidelity sensitive tasks, like video editing, they don’t just need to work on a spreadsheet.
None of the presented solutions cover the aspect of being in a different place than the rack, the same network is fine, but at a minimum a different room.
How do you deliver high resolution (e.g. 1440p, 144 fps) to multiple monitors with low latency over a network? I haven’t seen anything like that accomplished without running fiber from the host.
Eventually, your thin client will need too much power anyway, making the costs rise a lot. It makes sense in an office where you have 500 seats and you can load balance resources.
If someone can show me a multi seat gaming server that has native remote performance (as in you drag windows around in 144 fps, not the standard artifacty high latency behavior of vnc) I’ll eat a shoe.
Except knowledge.
It’s foolish of you to assume that most people want to build a computer.
And before people respond with ‘its just Legos’
There is so much more to it for someone with little to no knowledge.
Bios and firmware updates that require certain CPUs coupled with certain motherboards.
CPU sockets and inter compatibility.
The different specs of any given component and the value they provide to someone looking for specific workflows
Sizing of components and cases
Knowing where to find parts and what prices are acceptable.
Etc, etc ,etc.
Pick something that you know nothing about, let’s say cars just as an example.
Now imagine, let’s, say want to buy a car but it doesn’t come with wheels, you don’t get a list of 4 wheels to choose from, You get, lug patterns, sizing, and type, offset, wheel diameter, wheel width, bead lockers or no bead lockers, 1 piece, 2 piece or 3 piece, etc.
Now you have to spend all this time researching just about wheels, and then how they fit with the car you chose specifically earlier in the process, it would be frustrating and incredibly difficult for people who just want a car.
Go on any thread or forum and ask ‘what GPU should I get’ which is already making assumptions about someones understanding and knowledge (that they even know what a GPU is), and you will get 20 conflicting answers and need to write a paragraph in responses to narrow it down enough.
Present someone with no knowledge this: ‘DDR3-2666 CL9’ vs ‘DDR3-2000 CL7’. How do you really expect someone who just wants to play a video game to just implicitly know what those numbers mean, how they relate to each other etc.
Building a computer is an immensely difficult task for someone who doesn’t know much or anything about it, and believe it or not, the reality is not everyone wants to learn, places like lemmy and other tech focused echo chambers seem to forget that.
I’m inclined to agree, but it’s really just semantic differences. If they really wanted to, they could just release a new major version upgrade every year, tie the license to that version, and still get an effective annual subscription.
A smartphone is just a gateway to a VM with unlimited storage and processing power.
https://youtu.be/uRB7iUCX4KQ?si=4tJcrjmnaSSRfdyf
This video does a great job explaining how it works.
It has to do with system calls for stopping the disc that multi disc games would use.
Edit: I’m a dummy and didn’t realize this video was posted in the op.
Yes that doesn’t mean that opensubtitles can’t take their new found savings and use it to weed out poor quality submissions.
Wikipedia editors do it for free and yet they still maintain a high standard of quality.
They often do not include many languages, sure if you want English subtitles it’s likely they will be there. But good luck getting subtitles for movies and shows that didn’t have an official in the given country.
Do they include subtitles for every language?
So frustrating when a subtitle ad pops up spoiling that a movie is ending.
Something dramatic happening on screen and then “you can advertise on opensubtitles” appears on the bottom letting you know that there is 10 seconds left and spoiling any tension or drama in the scene.
I can download ten subtitles just trying to find one good one for a single TV show episode
Imo if they want to be so strict with downloading subtitles, they should raise the quality standards for the subtitles that are submitted.
I paid for a seed box for one month, around $25 and built enough ratio from that month to last me years.
It’s a learning tool, it also has gpio pins and a long lasting battery.
Thanks for the breakdown! This is probably the most helpful breakdown I’ve seen of a build like this.