Last June, fans of Comedy Central – the long-running channel behind beloved programmes such as The Daily Show and South Park – received an unwelcome surprise. Paramount Global, Comedy Central’s parent company, unceremoniously purged the vast repository of video content on the channel’s website, which dated back to the late 1990s.

  • paysrenttobirds@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    157
    ·
    3 months ago

    Used to be considered simply prudent to back up the vhs tapes you bought and people were encouraged to tape their favorite shows off the tv. Now some random CEO of the month has the right to bury decades worth of creative works?

    • jaybone@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      3 months ago

      Backup vhs tapes? They put copy protections on those too, which made that difficult. In the 90s I had two VCRs, I ran the output of one to the input of the other to record duplicates. Some of the copy protection schemes would fuck with the signal or the tracking.

      • Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        3 months ago

        I had a friend with a huge copied VHS library. He ordered his equipment from Germany. No macrovision on equipment there so his copies were very good.

        • jaybone@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          3 months ago

          Was this in the US? Because then you had PAL vs NTSC, which is think would be an even bigger problem.

          • Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            5
            ·
            3 months ago

            All US made VCR’s had a circuit in them called macrovision. Its what caused the distortion in the copies when the tape was recorded with it. The German units did not have this. He purchased them through friends who were in the military. They bought them from the base exchange or px I don’t remember which. As far as PAL and NTSC I’m pretty sure he had something to deal what that as well. The guy bought the second VCR in the state right behind some super rich guy. He still had it in the 90’s and it took up most of a fairly large table.

            Up until he died he made copies of everything he could get his hands on. He lived right on a county line and arranged it with his neighbor across the road in the other county to drop his netflix DVD’s in his mail box for pickup. He would get his DVD’s in the morning rip them and then put them in the neighbors mailbox before noon. It would be picked up that day and he would repeat the process. When he died I ended up with a huge amount of ripped DVD’s that I eventually gave to someone just to get them out of my way. I kinda regret that sometimes.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_Protection_System

            • Hugin@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              3 months ago

              For ntsc vhs players it wasnt a component in the vcr that was made for copy protection. They would add garbled color burst signals. This would desync the automatic color burst sync system on the vcr.

              CRT TVs didn’t need this component but some fancy tvs would also have the same problem with macrovission.

              The color burst system was actually a pretty cool invention from the time broadcast started to add color. They needed to be able stay compatible with existing black and white tv.

              The solution was to not change the black and white image being sent but add the color offset information on a higher frequency and color TVs would combine the signals.

              This was easy for CRT as the electron beam would sweep across the screen changing intensity as it hit each black and white pixel.

              To display color each black and white pixel was a RGB triangle of pixels. So you would add small offset to the beam up or down to make it more or less green and left or right to adjust the red and blue.

              Those adjustment knobs on old tvs were in part you manually targeting the beam adjustment to hit the pixels just right.

              VCRs didn’t usually have these adjustments so they needed a auto system to keep the color synced in the recording.

              • Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                3 months ago

                You should probably read that wikipedia link. I built some of the blockers or stabilizers as Wikipedia article describes them. You could see the pulses described in the output of a scope that messed up the AGC in the VCR. All the blocker did was blank out the pulses and that was enough to prevent macrovision from working on the VCR when making a copy.

  • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    125
    ·
    3 months ago

    Recent events with streaming services has really been the best argument for self hosting your own content

    • MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      3 months ago

      Every day I inch closer and closer to setting up my own plex server (or something else if there’s a better alternative idk)

      but the term “raspberry pi” makes me scared and confused

      • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        3 months ago

        Personally I just setup a PC as a NAS‡ and installed VLC on my TV so that I can just browse the NAS and play the files directly

        Is it efficient? No.

        Is it the best way? Also no.

        Does it work? Yes, surprisingly well in fact.

        ‡ The first time was simply a network shared folder, the second time was using TrueNAS.

      • PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        edit-2
        3 months ago

        You don’t need to run it on a pi. In fact, I’d actually argue against it; A pi will be underpowered if you’re ever needing to transcode anything. Transcoding is what Plex/Jellyfin does if your watching device can’t natively play the video. Maybe you have a 4k video, but you’re playing it on a 1080p screen. That video will need to be transcoded from 4k into 1080p for the screen to be able to display it. Or maybe the file is encoded using ACC (a fairly recent encoding method) which isn’t widely supported by older devices. This often happens with things like smart TVs (which often don’t support modern encoding and need to be transcoded even if the resolution is correct.)

        Basically, if you’re 100% positive that every device you’re watching it on will never need transcoding, then a pi is acceptable. But for anything else, I’d recommend a small PC instead. You can even use an old PC if you have one laying around.

        Or if you want to use a new machine, maybe something like an HP Elitedesk. They’re basically what you see in every single cubicle in every single office building. They’re extremely popular in corporate settings, which means there are a ton of used/refurbished systems available for cheap, because IT destroys the drives and sends the rest to refurb when they upgrade their fleet of PCs. So for the refurb you’re basically just paying the cost of an SSD they added in (to replace the one IT pulled out), plus whatever labor is associated with dusting it out and checking the connections to make sure they all work. You can pick up a modern one for like $250 on Amazon (or your preferred electronics store).

        Worth noting that the elitedesk generations are marked by a G-number, so google the model (like an EliteDesk G9, G7, etc) to see what kind of processor it has; Avoid anything with an intel 13th or 14th generation CPU, (they have major reliability issues) and check with Plex/Jellyfin’s CPU requirements list to see if it supports hardware accelerated transcoding. For Intel chips, look for QuickSync support.

        For storage, I’d recommend running a NAS with however many hard drives you can afford, and one that has extra ports for future expandability. Some NAS systems support Plex and/or Jellyfin directly, but the requirements for full support are tricky and you’ll almost always have better luck just running a dedicated PC for Plex. Then for playing, one of two things will happen. Either the device is capable of directly playing the file, or it will need to be transcoded. If it’s directly playing, the plex server basically just points the player to the NAS, and the player handles the rest. If it’s transcoding, the PC will access the NAS, then stream it to the player.

        As for deciding on Plex vs Jellyfin, that’s really a matter of personal preference. If you’re using Plex, I’d highly suggest a PlexPass sub/lifetime purchase; Wait until Black Friday, because they historically do a (~25% off) discount on their lifetime pass. Plex is definitely easier to set up, especially if you plan on streaming outside of your LAN.

        Jellyfin currently struggles from a lack of native app support; Lots of smart TVs don’t have a native Jellyfin app, for instance. But some people have issues and complaints (many of them justified!) with Plex, so if the FOSS sounds appealing, then consider Jellyfin instead. Jellyfin is also rapidly being developed, and many people expect it to have feature parity with Plex within a few years.

        And if you’re having trouble deciding, you can actually set up both (they can run in tandem on the same machine) and then see which one you prefer.

        And the nice part about using a mini PC is that you can also use it for more than just Plex/Jellyfin. I have the *arr suite running on mine, alongside a Factorio server, a Palworld server, and a few other things.

  • x0x7@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    100
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    3 months ago

    This is why pirating is justified. If you want your shows to last forever, torrent them, and keep them seeded.

    • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      16
      ·
      3 months ago

      I’ve looked around quite a bit for The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. No one seems to have the complete series. The show ran nightly for 30 years and amassed 6714 episodes so it would be quite a large torrent.

      • celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        19
        ·
        edit-2
        3 months ago

        It’s likely that most episodes aired before the dawn of home video recording (early 80s) are completely lost media. NBC and other networks weren’t in the habit of archiving tape-to-air media.

        • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          12
          ·
          3 months ago

          Ahhhh this is an absolute tragedy. The same thing goes with many movies from the golden age of Hollywood. I love to watch these old films. It breaks my heart that so many are lost forever.

      • PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        edit-2
        3 months ago

        Most of the episodes aired before at-home VHS was common, and TV stations weren’t in the habit of archiving their old footage for nightly broadcasts; The show was viewed as transient since it dealt with current events, and nobody expected people to want to re-watch old episodes. It’s likely that a lot of them aren’t available simply because nobody (including the tv station) has recordings.

    • el_abuelo@programming.dev
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      13
      ·
      3 months ago

      I wish this worked, but it only does for things that are popular.

      As it stands I think I’m just going to have to back up my entire media collection for fear of not being able to get a copy during retirement - when I plan to watch a shit tonne of TV.

  • 4am@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    78
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    3 months ago

    Can’t keep archives of Saturday morning cartoons we all grew up with and loved; will sue you for keeping copies of them.

    Definitely ok to being three mile island back online for AI though, that’s the ticket to a better humanity!

    For real why has everyone with any kind of money gone psycho? Have the bad guys started winning even harder?

  • Blackmist@feddit.uk
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    43
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    3 months ago

    The only way to watch the original Star Wars movies before George completely fucked with them is piracy.

    The 4K77, 80 and 83 editions are what you’re after. Enjoy. There are apparently reduced noise versions as well, but I thought it was perfect as is. It’s old. It’s supposed to have noise and grain. The desert scenes in the first one are really noisy and I’m not 100% sure why. Maybe he filmed those on cheaper film stock in smaller cameras, but that’s just a guess.

    • janNatan@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      35
      ·
      3 months ago

      The director was an amateur, and he didn’t align the grains of sand with the grain of the film.

      • Blackmist@feddit.uk
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        3 months ago

        I do have a double set with original (or as much as you could get) along with the post-prequels completely broken one. I think there was a pre-prequels version as well. But then that is DVD quality, which is getting on a bit.

        The likes of Disney+ doesn’t even acknowledge the originals even exist.

        Same with their Alien and Aliens versions as well. No director’s cuts at all, which is a shame as I far prefer them. They should have both.

    • superkret@feddit.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      3 months ago

      There was a storm in the desert where they were filming which destroyed a lot of the equipment and almost doomed the film.
      I think I remember reading that they had to use cheaper film stock in those scenes for that reason.

  • Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    41
    ·
    3 months ago

    This is why I still download movies and try to keep them. They make up the bulk of the crap I keep on my hard drives.

    And there was a time when the computer science world wanted to avoid this… and it was 1990 (yes, almost 35 years ago) when the term digital dark age was coined. It was in response to several things. Firstly: the first voyager probe was sent and the code used to store the information could not be disciphered by (then) the latest computers, which resulted in a problem. The second thing is that governments all around the world were starting to be heavily computerized and the older computers used in the 1960s were 100% incompatible with newer systems.

    In the US and UK in 1960 the first census were done by computers, and by just 1976 there were only two computers in the world that could read that data, and one of them was a museum piece.

    The FOSS community has done far more to combat this with emulation over the past 30 years than any corporation has ever done. Whether it is for video games like MAME, MESS, or whatever console emulator you want to mention, or by OSes like MS-DOS and Amiga Lemon and countless others that emulate almost every system ever created.

    Now these fucks are just shitting all streaming media and forcing normal people to have to break the law by pirating the stuff just to keep the stuff from vanishing into oblivion.

  • Chaotic Entropy@feddit.uk
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    39
    ·
    3 months ago

    It’s going to be a fun historical period to look back on when there are just huge gaps where IP/product control became so powerful that no record of certain things were allowed to exist.

    • mPony@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      27
      ·
      3 months ago

      Orwell didn’t know he was also writing about the Entertainment-Industrial Complex.

  • Kalysta@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    37
    ·
    3 months ago

    The simple answer to this is to change the tax code to not allow for write offs for completed projects. And to shorten how long copyright lasts (fuck Disney so much for that one)

    • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      ·
      3 months ago

      Also set up a standardized licensing process that breaks the mini-monopolies of exclusive content.

      Personally, I’d also limit copyright to specific works and not the characters, setting, etc. Then protect trademarks and use those to establish canon. Like in the MCU and DC universes, Spiderman and Batman don’t exist together, but in the Superhero Fan Universe, they are roommates and play genius billionaire vs superhuman with a sixth sense prank wars on each other.

    • Ajen@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      3 months ago

      What does this have to do with write-offs? I don’t think they can write off episodes of South Park and the daily show that have already aired.

        • Ajen@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          3 months ago

          I don’t think they can write it off either way, though. It only makes sense to write off shows that haven’t made money. It’s just “retiring” when you’re taking about something that’s already been released. There’s no ulterior profit motive, unlike when they write off unreleased movies and shows.

      • Kalysta@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        3 months ago

        It’s more for things like the batgirl movie that is finshed but will make more money in tax write offs to never release it. But if they lose ad revenue from removing a back catalogue, that may also let them post a loss and claim tax breaks.

        • Ajen@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          3 months ago

          I’m not a CPA, but I don’t think you can write off something that already made a profit. How would that even work, if companies were able to write off predicted ad revenue? They could make up any value and never have to pay any taxes at all.

          I don’t think write-offs have anything to do with them removing these episodes.

    • GHiLA@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      3 months ago

      Yep, my shelf of DVDs of movies I loved growing up became 4TB of media on a Jellyfin server, cloned to a cold drive I leave in my closet.

  • Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    24
    ·
    3 months ago

    Wait until you realize that most of your favorite movies and shows have been re edited or messed with.

    I was watching the office for the 100th time and one of my favorite jokes was just straight up removed from the show during this rewatch. So just in the last few months they’ve gone back and edited the show.

    I was also rewatching breaking bad and they’ve changed some of the music as well.

    • RinseDrizzle@midwest.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      15
      ·
      3 months ago

      Music licensing in media like this gets bullshit quickly. If it was signed in for the original run, fucking leave it.

      • BlitzoTheOisSilent@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        16
        ·
        3 months ago

        I had a coworker who cited music licensing as the sole reason he can’t find his favorite show anymore: The Drew Carrey Show. Whatever schmuck owns the music licensing refuses to cooperate with the rest of the show owners, so it can’t be streamed or distributed anywhere.

        Another example would be Scrubs, most of the songs used in the show (including key moments and the OG songs were perfect for them) have been edited out and replaced because of licensing issues. Unless you’ve got the DVDs or pirated older versions, you’re stuck with the new music and it’s not the same.

        • Tot@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          9
          ·
          3 months ago

          I think that’s why you’d be hard pressed to find Daria in its original form too: music licensing.

        • RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          3 months ago

          The Drew Carrey Show just finally got a streaming release a couple months ago. On Plex. All 9 seasons now.

  • theshatterstone54@feddit.uk
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    13
    ·
    edit-2
    3 months ago

    I’ve just realized there’s an animated series on Youtube, that I’ve had a really hard time (read: impossible) finding anywhere else, and if LEGO (yes, I’m talking about Ninjago) decides to delete these videos from their channels, the OG seasons are nowhere to ve found as far as I can tell. Yes, there are some cartoon streaming services but those are few in number and getting fewer, so I wouldn’t bet on them or any new ones that spring up having that content available in 5-10 years. And that’s worrying. Time to download all 15 seasons and store them somewhere! (oh shit, I don’t have enough space, do I)

    Edit: found them on a downloads site from the piracy megathread, but only Seasons 1-11. I’ll get them all soon enough.

    Edit 2: The first 11 seasons from that website come up to just over 105GB and I don’t have the space. Do I buy a 256GB USB/ Drive to store this at? I’m scared that I’m getting to the point of becoming a data hoarder. Not too long ago, I didn’t know what I’d do with my single 32GB USB, now I have added a 128GB one, and a 64GB Ventoy usb to the mix, and I still don’t have enough. Wtf?

    • assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      21
      ·
      3 months ago

      My brother in christ you have less than a TB of storage. you’re very far from being a hoarder.

      I still have my first 512GB HDD from when I was in high school and I’ve got over 32TB on my latest build, plus my archive of old drives I leave off until I need to access them. Join us, it’s better.

      • Lettuce eat lettuce@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        3 months ago

        About to build my first really nice homelab NAS for Jellyfin, archiving, etc. targeting between 30-40TB if all goes well :)

    • cm0002@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      21
      ·
      3 months ago

      105 gigs is nothing, you can get a 1TB external drive for ~60$

      I’m getting to the point of becoming a data hoarder

      What’s wrong with that‽ Join us on the dark side (according to giant corporations anyways), we have milk and cookies!

    • kureta@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      13
      ·
      3 months ago

      Don’t be scared. Embrace the data. Let it flow through the fiber optic cables and into your RAID array. Dew it!

    • kaboom36@ani.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      ·
      3 months ago

      You can have large amounts of storage without being a hoarder, tbh in this day and age its just prudent to have an offline DRM free copy of your favorite media

      If you have a bit of spare cash I can’t recommend building a NAS and setting up a jellyfin server enough, its really nice knowing that everything on it won’t disappear unless you will it

      • kalpol@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        3 months ago

        You don’t even need much cash. An old N40L and four 250gb ssds will get you 750gb running Truenas and raid.

      • theshatterstone54@feddit.uk
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        3 months ago

        If only. I’m a student living in student accommodation. I can’t set up a NAS because hosting things on the network is against their policy, and I also wouldn’t feel comfortable having that type of hardware in my room. And if electricity bills skyrocket because of me, I’ll be forced to pay them.

    • coaxil@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      ·
      edit-2
      3 months ago

      Storage is relatively cheap, and don’t stress becoming a data horder, added bonus, learning to manage it well is a nice skillset to develop… Looks over at the 700tb rack!

      • theshatterstone54@feddit.uk
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        3 months ago

        What’s a safe place to buy storage online? I’ve seen horror stories of an sd card in a drive enclosure, and modifying the storage to make it appear larger than it is.

    • ancoraunamoka@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      3 months ago

      Do it. Buy an hdd, start to understand how to store the data safely, how to torrent and how to contribute to the community.

      You’ll learn a lot, and I am guessing that you are very young, all this knowledge will be very useful in the future. Every cent spent now, will multiply in the future

    • Grimy@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      3 months ago

      You might be able to convert to hevc (x265) and trim it down by quite a bit.

      You will always lose a bit of quality converting though, even from 1080p to 1080p, but I consider it pretty acceptable for cartoons and things of that nature.

      • InvertedParallax@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        3 months ago

        Have my main server back home, while I’m traveling I have a script to reencode to av1 onto my local machine, works beautifully and the quality drop isn’t too bad (colors look weird but think that’s the Intel xe encoder)

    • pezmaker @sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      3 months ago

      If you have an m.2 slot, 2tb drives are cheap and don’t worry about it for a while

      Edited: I originally absent mindedly said 2gb, meaning 2tb

      • theshatterstone54@feddit.uk
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        edit-2
        3 months ago

        Are cheap

        Yeah, right. I know they’re cheaper than they were but they can’t be that cheap.

        finds a high-speed 2tb m.2 from Kingston (a brand I trust) for £120

        I stand corrected.

        • nfms@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          3 months ago

          Do you have desktop or laptop?
          For desktop, I recommend getting an HDD for storage. They’re cheaper, I bought a 4tb Seagate Ironwolf for less than 100€.
          I also have a 1tb nvme, where I store things that require fast reads like my gaming collection while the system is installed in an SSD. (The parts were not bought at the same time). For laptop, you might want to stick to what you have inside and just get a good external USB. The usual brands are still good and I think prices have flatten across the industry.