Let’s say these film studios DO get ‘permission’ or ‘access’ of these IPs. Haven’t we already proven in the court of law that IP Address does not equal a person? How come that is? Well, it’s because people can hide under VPNs, they could use proxies, they could use open wi-fi, they can change their address by ISP request .etc
They aren’t assigned permanent IPs and they aren’t tied to their IPs through identity.
This whole effort is just a waste of their time, proving once again, that they’re desperate for anything.
On the other hand, the r/piracy subreddit is full of entitled jackasses who pick you apart for stupid arbitrary reasons. I’ve posted news posts on there before as a means to inform the pirating community as to what to look for in case things could go wrong in the future, as a lead. And any time, people kept commenting like “WHUT DUS DIS HAVE TU DU WITH PIWACY?!” every fucking time.
I’d spell it out for them, I get downvoted, I get my post reported and it’s removed. Seriously, fuck all of those e-begging pieces of shit.
Maybe I am wrong but it seems like some of y’all aren’t reading the article. They aren’t going after IP’s in order to identify the individuals. They are trying to prove that frontier is not being proactive in their efforts to prevent piracy. The IP’s are to prove that it is going through frontier. Reddit->Frontier->Pirated content.
I am not saying I am ok with that, because I’m not, but what many of y’all are describing is happening is not exactly what is happening here.
Buddy, go bitch at the author who wrote the article that plastered all over what we’re responding about.
And my point still stands - they CAN’T prove that those IP addresses would be from frontier. It’s a huge whack a mole game they’re getting themselves into.
Legally, not really. A username is also not a person.
This is a fishing expedition by the producers, nothing more.
From the article:
Another reason Reddit refuses to comply with the film producers’ request is that “none of the posts depicted in Exhibit A to the subpoena appear to relate to movies that we understand are the subject of" the copyright infringement claims.
The users made no reference to pirating IP owned by the producers.
Legally, not really. A username is also not a person.
True, but when tied to an IP address known to be used by a suspected person, it can be used as evidence.
Also if the Reddit account is old, there’s a good chance they provided at least one piece of identifying info that further ties that account to a target.
It’s not definitive but it is a lot harder to toss out
They want to do like they did with The Hurt Locker all those years ago: movie didn’t pull in what they wanted it to, so they got a list of IPs from setting up a seeder, took those to the ISPs (who turned over customer names and addresses asap) and sent scare letters to all the customer addresses they received threatening to sue each person in each household for millions per number of copies they estimated (made up the difference in cost vs actuals plus a bonus on earnings for mgmt) were shared across torrents. Unless you paid them a couple thousand dollars instead.
They knew most would throw the letter away like the garbage it was, but a lot of people paid. Especially elderly folks whose grandkids came over and used the computer to do it. It works!
So, okay.
Let’s say these film studios DO get ‘permission’ or ‘access’ of these IPs. Haven’t we already proven in the court of law that IP Address does not equal a person? How come that is? Well, it’s because people can hide under VPNs, they could use proxies, they could use open wi-fi, they can change their address by ISP request .etc
They aren’t assigned permanent IPs and they aren’t tied to their IPs through identity.
This whole effort is just a waste of their time, proving once again, that they’re desperate for anything.
On the other hand, the r/piracy subreddit is full of entitled jackasses who pick you apart for stupid arbitrary reasons. I’ve posted news posts on there before as a means to inform the pirating community as to what to look for in case things could go wrong in the future, as a lead. And any time, people kept commenting like “WHUT DUS DIS HAVE TU DU WITH PIWACY?!” every fucking time.
I’d spell it out for them, I get downvoted, I get my post reported and it’s removed. Seriously, fuck all of those e-begging pieces of shit.
Maybe I am wrong but it seems like some of y’all aren’t reading the article. They aren’t going after IP’s in order to identify the individuals. They are trying to prove that frontier is not being proactive in their efforts to prevent piracy. The IP’s are to prove that it is going through frontier. Reddit->Frontier->Pirated content.
I am not saying I am ok with that, because I’m not, but what many of y’all are describing is happening is not exactly what is happening here.
Buddy, go bitch at the author who wrote the article that plastered all over what we’re responding about.
And my point still stands - they CAN’T prove that those IP addresses would be from frontier. It’s a huge whack a mole game they’re getting themselves into.
What? I’m saying y’all are either misunderstanding the contents of the article or you aren’t reading it. It explains this quite clearly.
Umm. Yes they can. Quite easily. As Frontier would have been assigned those IPs as a static set.
IPs alone aren’t enough. IPs tied with usernames can be a lot more compelling.
Legally, not really. A username is also not a person.
This is a fishing expedition by the producers, nothing more.
From the article:
The users made no reference to pirating IP owned by the producers.
True, but when tied to an IP address known to be used by a suspected person, it can be used as evidence.
Also if the Reddit account is old, there’s a good chance they provided at least one piece of identifying info that further ties that account to a target.
It’s not definitive but it is a lot harder to toss out
Evidence of what?
That someone was making shit up on reddit? That is all that it proves.
It proves nothing else.
It does not prove that what was written is true.
It does not prove who wrote the comment.
They want to do like they did with The Hurt Locker all those years ago: movie didn’t pull in what they wanted it to, so they got a list of IPs from setting up a seeder, took those to the ISPs (who turned over customer names and addresses asap) and sent scare letters to all the customer addresses they received threatening to sue each person in each household for millions per number of copies they estimated (made up the difference in cost vs actuals plus a bonus on earnings for mgmt) were shared across torrents. Unless you paid them a couple thousand dollars instead.
They knew most would throw the letter away like the garbage it was, but a lot of people paid. Especially elderly folks whose grandkids came over and used the computer to do it. It works!